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KATHY
WROTE: I wanted to know if you could give me your opinion on Smith Wigglesworth? We had company over last night who were talking about a book by him. They were mentioning the 27 people he resurrected, and how "like Jesus" he did things outlandish. They were talking about how he even did things like slamming (shoving) people before they were healed, and about all the healing he did, but how godly a man he was. This did not set well with me, and as I was searching the scriptures about "signs and wonders" I read in Mat., I believe, where people will do signs and wonders, but they wont' be of God. These signs and wonders people seem to be seeking are all wrapped up in "physical manifestations." I don't know where to find the answers, but I feel as if the Holy Spirit is telling me it's wrong. Can you please help? In Him, Kathy DON WROTE: Hi Kathy:I applaud your sensitivity to the Spirit of Christ. Remember the story that Jesus told us about a certain rich man and the beggar Lazarus? Remember that the religious, rich man (who by inference had lived his life for his riches and not God) was thrown into hell and how that in the torments of hell, he interceded for his brothers who were still living?
Note that Jesus did not suggest that the rich man's brothers could look to any man living at the time or to any of the traditional "heroes" of the Jews at the time, but to the Scriptures. There were obviously many reasons for this, the first being that "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven" (Psalm 119:89). And again, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Mt. 5:18). It is important that we comprehend that God did notnor never willcommit His integrity or His work to man.
The other side of the coin is that although God does not commit His integrity or His work to man, He does entrust His integrity to His Word, for He and His Word are One.
It is for this reason that He can totally commit Himself to His Word and that we can totally depend upon what it says. This is not to say that He does not use man; for when man will repent, humble himself, prepare himself by studying the Word, and then walk in obedience to His Spiritsuch are the vessels through which God reveals Himself to the world. But God will never give His Spirit to a man or a woman so that they might be glorified and become an object of trust and wonder among men. Consider the characters of the Old Testament, the Bible to which Jesus was referring when He told the rich man that his brothers had Moses and the Prophets. God did not gloss over the imperfections of the Old Testament heroes of faith so that they might be worshipped as the Israelites were doing when Jesus walked the earth. Consider Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, etc., these were all presented as fully human men that had all committed spiritual offenses ranging from failures in faith to adultery and murder. God presented them as they really werenot diminishing their humanity but stressing their faith in Him and His response to that faith. Likewise, in the New Testament the Apostles were presented as ordinary men. We see that Peter had a streak of cowardice that caused him to deny his Lord to save his own life. Even after Peter received the Holy Spirit, this streak in him came to the surface when at Antioch he was intimidated by the leaders of the Jews.
The Apostle Paul was a religious fanatic/bigot before He surrendered his life to Christ, even murdering those who opposed his point of view. In fact, those who stoned faithful Stephen to death, laid their cloaks at Paul's feet while they stoned him (Acts 7:58-60). It was Paul who went through the tormenting time of Romans chapter 7 when it seemed he could never do what was right and when he was always doing what he hated. Paul wrote of himself "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief" (I Tim. 1:15). Paul understood full well the corruption of his old man; in fact, he was assigned a demon to pester him lest he forget it. "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure" (II Cor. 12:7). We don't know if this devil just pestered Paul in his mind, or if there was also given some outward sign of his activity in the flesh as many suggest. But we do know that Paul was never allowed to forget his dependence upon Godthat this was always to the fore of his mind; and that Paul was always aware that he needed to keep his body under subjection lest he lose his witness among men.
The beloved John also recognized his limitations and his dependence on God. It was he who wrote:
All of these who were called to lay the foundations for the Church and to pen the New Testament were careful not to let men make "idols" of themselves, even tearing their clothes and forbidding men who tried to do so. So, if it was forbidden to idolize these individuals who were called and used to write the New Testament, how much more is it forbidden to glorify men and women centuries later? Let's look at a couple of examples.
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As I've already said, I commend your approach to the "faith healers" and "holy ghost revivalist" in our midst. And I do this because you are in obedience to the Scriptures.
I know that there are those who are afraid to be obedient to this command because they have an inordinate fear of "blaspheming the Holy Ghost." This fear is able to manifest itself because of their lack of knowledge of the Scriptures. Consequently, they end up grieving the Holy Spirit because in not testing the spirits, they are blown to and fro with every wind of doctrine and end up following "strange spirits." Also, because these "strange spirits" supposedly do their great supernatural feats "in the name Jesus," again, they are afraid to test them lest they offend God and His Spirit and His Son. But again we see a failure to know what's in the Word.
It is no accident that Jesus followed this warning with this statement:
It is the Word that is our stay, IT is the Rock of all the Ages upon which we are to build our lives, not the charisma or the sayings of someone who claims to be representing and speaking for Jesus. (Before I go any further, lest I give the wrong impression, let me assert that I do believe in healing as it is presented in the Scriptures. I wouldn't be here now but for divine healing. And I have a daughter who had missing body parts appear when she was a baby which, to me, qualifies as a miracle. Also, the wife and I have seen the true gifts of healing and miracles in action. An instance that comes to mind is a meeting that took place in Melrose, Florida. I cannot remember the minister's name, but I do remember how he bragged on Jesus and how his teaching stirred my faith. On this particular night, I remember that a goiter on a lady's neck disappeared as he prayed for her.) I am thankful to God that before he placed me into the church world, He put me through four years of intense Bible Study. Because of my preparation, I just took it for granted that I was to test the spirits and I had a good idea about how to do so. As the Lord started leading me to those who are strong on healings and the "gifts of the Spirit," I noticed a couple of things most of them seemed to have in common. Different factions of these groups did not always agree on just what a "gift of the Spirit" is, or on how they are to function. Also, I started observing the "healings," and I noticed patterns emerging. See if you agree with my list of observations.
I'm sure that you can add to this list; but I think I've included enough to make my point. But now, with your question in mind, let me add one more observation. The starting place of any genuine work that will stand the test of time/ Scriptures must have as its origin the Word of God/ Jesus. In the Scriptures the Holy Spirit was a very inconspicuous partner that always brought glory to Jesus. The Holy Spirit never advertised Himself. Can we start by bragging on the Holy Ghost and then throw in Jesus for good measure? Will Jesus follow the Holy Ghost or does the Holy Ghost honor the name of Jesus? Likewise, can we start bragging on "Smith Wigglesworth"or any other manand expect the Holy Spirit to move? I don't know if Smith Wigglesworth had any real miracles to accompany his ministry or not. But I do know that Peter, John, and Paul did; and I do know that God has approved their work and their words which make up the New Testament Epistles. These words are still doing a work--producing a faith in the hearers (and doers) that God readily honors for this faith honors His Son.
When I began to recognize the problems listed above, many questions came to mind. Can someone with such Scriptural problems even be the Lord's? What about those who join the church under their preaching? Are they really saved? Am I to treat them as a brother or sister? I will not attempt to answer these questions for anyone else, but it does seem that each of us do have them to answer. In the meantime, we do know that we can put our confidence in the Christ of the Bible and in The New Testament that He put in force by the shedding of His own blood. Maranatha, Don KATHY WROTE AGAIN: I appreciate your response on Smith Wigglesworth and your comments cleared many things up as well as answered many questions. I have one more question that maybe you can answer. What is the position of a woman in the church? I feel personally that a woman can teach, but to take the role of a pastor is out of line, because it is a position of authority over men. What is your opinion? kathy B'ANN WROTE:Can a woman handle the Word of God? Look at the role of the woman in the New Testament. She "carried" the Word for nine months. We women certainly can carry the word to whomever we please. We do birth the "future Sons of God" that come to Christ by faith and confession. The confusion here is what a "pastor" is. Scripturally, this is not a person that sits in a church and dispenses the word to a few in a congregation. Indeed, in the parable of the Good Shepherd we find the real meaning of a "pastor". Let's take the time to look at a few Scriptures.
The dictionary says that a pastor is: 1) a minister or priest in charge of a church, and 2) a person having spiritual care of a number of persons. Looking at this definition,the only restrictions I find are during the child-bearing years for most certainly we would fit the description of "a person having spiritual care of a number of persons." Here, Timothy is just saying that it is perfectly normal for younger women to want children and it is best done within the bounds of marriage. Let's look at some more Scriptures.
Ruth is listed in the honor roll of faith. She was about the harvest. In fact, she humbled herself to glean after the harvest in order to pick up any "seeds" that might remain on the ground.
Boaz was her "kinsman." Jesus is our kinsman. I feel that it is not appropriate to make the ministry ones daily occupation if there are small children in the home. My children are grown, the fruit of my raising them shows them to be steadfast and dependable adults that love the Lord. I have fulfilled my first calling, my duty in love to them, now I feel free to do the ministries that I could not give full time devotion to while raising them. This would be the only restrictions I would put upon any ministry by women. Can a woman stand up behind a pulpit and do what she has to do? No! Neither can a man!!! Enough said. DON WROTE AGAIN:
Let's look at this matter of "subjection" for a moment. For the sake of decency and order, there must be guidelines to govern human relations and interaction--otherwise, we would have nothing but confusion and conflict. It would be ideal if everyone would enter willingly into subjection and that everyone who was being "subjected to" would simply follow the golden rule laid down by Jesus: i.e., "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise" (Luke 6:31). However, this has not always been the case. Consequently, because there is more than one person in a relationship/ interaction, each relationship must be judged on its own merits. An example in the Bible of where God had to go to plan "B" was the installation of Deborah to be judge over Israel. We can probably safely assume that God will honor the plans that He has set in motion when the freewill of man allows. If this is the case, then in Deborah's day, God could not find in Israel a man who would put God's interests above his own interests. He then looked to women and found in Deborah a "shepherd's heart." Did Deborah fight for the right to govern the men and women of Israel? Probably not, for had she been self-seeking, she would have been a poor candidate for the office. More than likely, in her heart, she would have preferred that the men of Israel be zealous to God and that God could have called a man that she could support to rule His people. Can we look at the example of Deborah and deduce that God would call a woman to pastor a church if He cannot find a man that He considers worthy to pastor His sheep? Well, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and if he passed over the male population in Deborah's day, He very well might do it again (to their shame). Setting up Deborah to rule over the men of Israel is only one example of where God looked at the hearts of men and ignored the guidelines He had established for man. Others examples would be the choosing of Jacob over Esau, the firstborn (See Genesis chapters 25-35); David's eating of the shewbread (Mark 2:25-28); a releasing from the marriage vows (Mt. 5:32; I Cor. 7:15); etc. The final answer to your question must be found by each individual for himself/ herself. It is my contention that the Holy Spirit will lead God's children in the paths of righteousness, and attending church is one of those paths. |
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WROTE: Just a quick question. I'm looking for a chart/diagram that shows the different time lines of the events in scripture... the pretrib, midtrib, posttrib views, and the pre millenium, awmillenium, and post millenium,views of the end times. Does the rapture happen before the millenium, or after? Does the tribulation come before the rapture or after? If you know where I could get string of events diagrams for the different views I would sure appreciate it, because I'm really confused and I would like to be able to compare them for myself. DON WROTE: You just didn't go far enough into our site. Check out our on-line book THE CLOCK OF THE AGES. |
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Once again thank you for your service to the Lord and to us that strive to understand His Word. DON WROTE: And thank you, Reggie, for the words of encouragement. If our obedience to the Lord in building this site has been a blessing for you, there are ways that you can enter into our work. For example, you can make a note of our URL address (i.e., doweknow.com) and share it with others. It would be real easy to send a good word and our URL address via E-mail to any friends or relatives who are on line. I'm sure that God would bless all such efforts. Don |
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