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B'Ann wrote:

I am amazed--I am constantly amazed at all the new revelations and all the "words of prophecy and discernment" that come forth from the religious front today. Many, today, scarcely have time to share John 3:16 with the world. Most haphazardly do the Great Commission--if they do it at all; and yet the world is to believe that they are so loved, so adored, so trusted by God, Himself, that He can't wait to give the world a new and better word through their wonderfulness. NOT! We need to get back to this basis command:

II Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

If we would diligently study the Scriptures already given and stop adding to them, we could stop much of the diversity that is tearing the Body of Christ to pieces. Perhaps that greatest miracle Christ could perform today would be to take the scattered tatters of His Body and bind it back together into some semblance of a unit. What a "stench" all these little, ripped apart pieces must make to the world. Life is in the blood and there can be no sustenance flowing through a dismembered body—much less one in bits and pieces. We meet each other and ask what denomination/part/section of the church do you attend? Denominations mean divisions. If by some miracle the Body of Christ is still interconnected, with all the differing factions, the body must surely look like a completely uncoordinated, writhing mass. Can we conclude that Christ is forced to be the head of such a manmade curiosity? (Perhaps He has a healthy body that we cannot even see.) If the world's only hope is in the visible church, death has to prevail. I am reminded in the Scriptures where a bride was hacked into twelve pieces and sent to the tribes of Israel. (See Judges 20.) Horrible to contemplate, for sure, but at least it was cut into only twelve parts. Today, we are scattered into so many fragmented beliefs and "fight" issues, it is a wonder that any person can be born again into the kingdom. Today's church has to be one of the greatest tests that God's Grace has ever known. That Christ can bring salvation to mankind in spite of this terrible disunity proves that He is a miracle working God. SELAH!

By such comments, am I advocating a one-world church. No! I am advocating one church for the world. I am suggesting that we go "back to the basics," remove much of the stuff that man has added, and make the plan of salvation as simple as John 3:16. Everyone has to come to the Father through the same door.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 10:7-11
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and might have it more abundantly.
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Tainting the seed (the Word) that brings forth eternal life is only half the problem with today's church. When we do get John 3:16 to someone and they are converted, then the leaders of the fragments of the body tell them they have to wear certain types of clothing, eat certain types of food, talk a certain way, cut their hair, don't cut their hair, wear cosmetics, don't wear cosmetics, wear a badge, carry a banner, sing traditional songs, sing contemporary song, remain completely silent, jump, scream, roll, lay on hands, speak in tongues, don't speak in tongues, do communion for salvation, only do communion in remembrance of him, use wine in the communion, absolutely don't use wine in the communion, have padded pews, sit on wooden benches, sprinkle, immerse, infant baptism, professing baptism, baptism by Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit baptism doesn't exist anymore, church on Sunday, church on Saturday--well, you get the picture. Isn't it time for us to go back to the simplicity of letting the Holy Spirit guide each person in their individual walk. We are not a bunch of club "groupies." Under the Grace Age, each of us is to have an individual walk with Jesus, our Brother and our Savior.

John 16:7-14
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

All of this was written down in the Bible. If everyone would fall on their face and say, "Lord, teach me the Holy Scriptures because I am very limited in knowledge," then, things would take a new turn. First, the relationship would become personal, not one of showmanship before the world. As the "sincere milk of the word" would work upon the hearts of each "babe" in Christ, then the manifestation of love would come forth. After a person has "fed" upon the "milk of the word," then, the time would come for them to feed on the "meat." Are we choking the "babes in the Church on "our meat?" (our great knowledge) when they should be fed the "sincere milk of the Word," beginning with John 3:16. In this time of instant foods, instant entertainment, fast foods, etc., we don't want to take the time to get to "know" Jesus. Yes, the "born again" experience is instant. But after this we must do as the Scriptures say:

II Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

One of the reasons we created DOWEKNOW is to ask, simply, "Do we know what we think we know?" We hoped our site would stop the great, swelling words of supposed knowledge that has swept across the church world, and make people look at what we really know—and what we can know. We also hope to remove the yoke that is being put upon the believer by getting each believer to the Word and to the Holy Spirit for themselves—eliminating the "middle man" with his hidden/personal agendas. Repeatedly, we have stressed that if there is a collective "yoke" for the Body of Christ/Church. It is simply the Great Commission.

Matthew 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Yes, I am amazed--amazed and astonished that in just a few generations, we have left the Word of God and its precepts. And I am persuaded that this is not just a problem with America, but the whole world. If there was ever a time for the call to repentance and revival to come forth, it is now and it is for this generation. Let me leave you with these words from the Apostle Paul.

Colossians 2:6-10
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

? WROTE:

where did the rapture word really come from.

does don really know! don't tell me Mat:24:36.

Respond please.

DON WROTE:

OK. So, I admit that I don't really don't know who coined the word "rapture" to represent our Lord's return to take the Church up out of the world. The term has been in the church ever since I have, and I see no problem with its use. I know some say that its meaning is inherent in the Greek word parousiva used by Paul when he wrote about our Lord's Second Coming. I don't know about that, for I'm not a student of the Greek. However, when our Lord "whishes" the Church up out of the world in that "twinkling of an eye," I expect that we will be filled with the ecstasy of the moment, and that the Church will truly be "raptured."

If you think that you know something that we don't know, share it with us and if it rings true, we will share it with the world.

Yours in Christ,

Don Love

(TO OUR CYBERNAUT VISITORS:

Don Wrote:

This is my response to the third in a series of WRAPs with Warren. For the other two WRAPs, go to our November-1990 and December 2-1999 where B'Ann responded to this WRAP.)


Rev. Warren Wrote (for the third time):

I enjoy your going out of the way to give the Mother of GOD a little bit of credit but that just does not cut it. Think about looking at Her the very same way that the Holy Trinity looks upon Her. The Commandments are not written in our hearts but rather the natural law is what is written in our hearts. The Commandments or the revealed law you must obey if you truly love Our Lord.

Don Wrote:

Warren, you wrote: "I enjoy your going out of the way to give the Mother of GOD a little bit of credit but that just does not cut it."

I understand that this is one of the fighting points for the Catholics, but in all truth, I find no authority for such a statement or stance. If you've read much of what B'Ann and I have to say, you know that we do not present ourselves as an authority on the things of God. To us, the Bible is the only authority that Christ left for His Church, and the understanding of the Bible is a gift of God imparted by the Holy Spirit. We feel that this understanding is not reserved for the intellectual, but the sincere, obedient child of God that studies to show himself approve to his heavenly Father--not to his church leaders. We have not been to the "third heaven" for a personal meeting with the One Who is building His Church. Only Paul received that honor and responsibility (II Corinthians 12:2). We didn't get to walk with Christ for several years as did the Disciples, nor did we get to stand on the mount with James, Peter, and John when our Lord was transfigured before their eyes. Yet, we have received a call/commission from Christ. And in preparation for that call, we have studied the Bible conscientiously—I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's not what I say, nor what some pastor or priests says, it's not what the Pope or the president of some denominations says, but it's what the Bible says that makes the difference.

Having said that, let me say that I can never call the Virgin Mary the mother of God, because I've read the words of Jesus in Luke 8:19-21: "Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press. And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." And I can never pray to her for I find nowhere in the Scriptures where she is ascribed divinity. To the contrary, the Bible numbers her with those in the upper room who had to be filled with the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost so that they could be born again into the kingdom of God like any other of Adam's seed.

Act 1:13-14
And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

In addition, as far as we know, she is now in the "waiting room" with all the other saints (believers) since the Church's inception who have died and gone to be with the Lord.

And while I'm on a roll, there are some other things about the Catholic church that I cannot embrace. I can never kiss the pope's ring nor call him (or a priest) father because Jesus said:

Matthew 23:8-11
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Nor can I accept the celibate papacy to be ordained of God with Peter being the first pope, because the Apostle Paul wrote: "Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas [Peter]?" (1 Corinthians 9:5). And in Matthew we are told: "And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them" (Matthew 8:14-15).

So, personally, I can never pray to the Virgin Mary or kiss the pope's ring because of the Scripture I've just quoted to you. But it is not like I am singling out the Catholic Church for neither can I accept the Mormon's book of Moroni because of Revelation 22:18-19.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

(I find the Mormon church to be very interesting, for their understanding of their understanding is not very clear even to themselves. In fact, it seems that today's leaders are trying to distance themselves from many of the teachings of their leader and founder Joseph Smith. The confusion in their doctrine is understandable and even predictable, for their founders taught that the Bible is to be read in the light of the book of Moroni. To further add to their confused beliefs, there was an influx of disenchanted Baptist church members to enter their ranks in the 60's and 70's, bringing with them their "talk" which is more Bible than it is Moroni.)

Also, I put little confidence in the Pentecostals who go through all manner of gyrations and soulical exercises in church in the name of the Holy Spirit—apparently thinking that by acting foolishly, they bring God glory—but showing little of the fruit of the Spirit on the week days, or doing little during the week days that would show they have been touched by the Lord. I have nothing against speaking in tongues for it is a precious gift and has its place and purpose; and from experience, I know that sometimes the joy of the Lord cannot be contained. But these things are spontaneous and should not be imitated or "practiced." I find it sad that the very passage of Scripture they quote to justify their dubious behavior (I Cor. chapter 14) ends with, "Let all things be done decently and in order" (I Cor. 14:40).

I could go on and on with the traditions and teachings in the various churches that have been instituted by man, but are not substantiated by the Bible. But that is not really necessary for even the onlookers in the world can recognize the hand of man in the business of God. However, just because I cannot accept the man-made precepts and guidelines that permeate most of today's religious organizations, this doesn't mean that I do not accept the profession of faith in Christ of a Catholic, a Mormon, Pentecostal, Baptist, etc., and treat them as brothers. (Only God knows if they have truly received His Son as their Lord and Savior.) Again, I go to the Bible as my authority.

Romans 10:4-13
…Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Now, someone might say, "If all of these organizations have "born-again believers" in them, why all the hullabaloo? Why spend all the time and money putting up your web site? My answer is three-fold.

    1. It is important because those who are not grounded in the Word will find themselves suffering defeat in their walk of faith simply because faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God—and without faith it is impossible to please God. Those who will not go to the Bible for themselves, but depend upon the preached/taught word will find themselves undernourished and, more often than not, suffering from spiritual ptomaine poisoning. These will be those of whom Paul spoke in I Corinthians Chapter three, whose works stand in jeopardy of going up in flames at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
    2. It is imperative because those who have mistakenly put their confidence in the traditions and doctrines of their religious organization rather than the Person and Teachings of Christ Jesus may find themselves trying to get into the Kingdom of God without going through the Door. Remember what Jesus told Nicodemus in the third chapter of John? To enter the Kingdom of God one must be born again of the Spirit and the Holy Spirit will not honor the teachings and traditions of man in such a way.
    3. Also, it is important because from the words of Jesus, we are given to understand that if we want the world to look upon the church and believe in the Christ of the Bible, we are to be one in Him. "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me" (John 17:21). At this point in time, it seems that all the church can agree upon is that they disagree.

So, Warren, my counsel to you, to anyone reading this WRAP, and to myself is to examine ourselves to "see if we be in the faith." Part of this examination is asking ourselves how often do we read the Bible? And more importantly, when we read the Bible do we do so with the attitude of, "Lord, help me to see Truth and to understand your Word. Help me to see if there are any problems in my understanding and in the way I try to serve you. If there are, please show me, and guide me aright." If we thus pray, we can know that God will hear and answer for He has promised in His Bible that, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" (James 1:5-8). A beautiful promise of God Who cannot lie; however, we must note the condition, But let him ask in faith… The object of this faith is the key. If it is a church, or a dogma or doctrine, or a man because of his position, or any thing other than the person of Christ, then God will not honor such faith and such faith will not sustain us when we are hit by the storms of life.

Love,
Don & B'Ann Love

Rev. Warren Wrote (for the fourth time):

Question-Comment: You continue to act like that which you eat for you eat nothing. Do you eat that which is Truth? You are what you eat!!! Now if I call upon the Holy Spirit I should receive that which Our Lord promised us and if in doing so I do not walk in the same light that you claim to walk in how can this be so? Does the Holy Spirit contradict Himself? Does He tell you one Truth and me another? How can this be so if there is only one Holy Spirit? Is their more than one Holy Spirit? You know nothing about the Truth yet you claim that you poses the Truth. How can you poses the Turth when you have no life within you? Do you receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinty of Jesus Christ? I doubt it!!! Unless you go to a Priest who has been given the power to offer up a Holy Sacrifice. Read Saint John chapter 6 and than 1 Corinthians chapter 11: 23-31. Are you saying you can sin against a symbol? How can this be true? You may claim that chapter 6 has only a symbolic meaning but than you would be a liar. Do you call Saint Paul a liar? Do you call Saint John a liar? Do you call Jesus the Christ a liar? If you lie you steal from the Truth. You break the Commandments of GOD. Prove to me that their is no such thing as the Real Presence. I want Real Physical proof. I can back up what I say Biblically and Scientifically. Can you? Remember Physical proof not just talk, for talk is cheap. I wait for your reply.

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Don Wrote again:

The bottom line for being a Christian is the "born again" experience. Christ died on the cross to freely give salvation, to all that believe on the only Begotten Son of God.

You ask, "Does the Holy Spirit contradict Himself?" I, too, have asked this question, as has every thoughtful person who has come to Christ. Like all believers, I came to Christ out of a world hardened by sin, but unlike many, I had no religious preference and no frame of reference as to which is the "better church" of the many. So, I prayed; I studied the Bible; and I observed. "The Bible says…" thumped Brother Joe. "Thus sayeth the Lord…" insists Brother Ralph. "The Spirit says…" chimes in Sister Sue. Yet Joe, Ralph, and Sue disagree vehemently and accused one another of being "in the devil." Even as a babe-in-Christ, I realized that the fighting among denominations was not right; and I Thank God that Christ pulled me aside and put me into personal Bible study before I was assaulted by this deluge of contractions. (As a youngster, our son, Jon, had a saying, "Even if one of you is right and the other is wrong, you are both wrong because you are fighting!")

I'm still learning, and DOWEKNOW is more than a name for our web site, it is a heartfelt question.

However, I am confident that I have the Lord, and I feel that I have some understanding—although time and experience has taught me that my understanding is not complete. For what it is worth, I feel that much of the confusion over spiritual things comes about because man is a weak link in the chain of understanding; yet we must never forget that man is the reason that such a chain exists. Hopefully, we all know enough Bible that we can agree that God, the Source of understanding, is perfect, and in Him is no shadow of turning. However, about the next link in our understanding, there is little agreement at all, except the agreement to disagree—and this link is the church (i.e., the churches). Because the True Church (not the organizations but the living Body of born-again believers) is called of God to help Him in the building and maintaining of His Church (i.e., to help Him by becoming fishers-of-men and /or to feed His sheep—a privilege and responsibility that even the angels do not have), then the Church actually serves as a conduit for the Holy Spirit. The analogy has been used of God being the water tower, the Holy Spirit the water, and faith in the Jesus the faucet handle. In this analogy, the Church (not the organization, but the Body of individual believers that make up the true Church) is supposed to be the pipe that carries the water. In the natural, we understand that impurities must be kept out of the pipe or the water will make us sick. However, in the natural, we have learned of late that although our ancestors thought they were doing well, they were unintentionally poisoning themselves and their posterity with lead, a ingredient in their pipes that can be lethal to mankind. I contend that the same has and is still happening in the spiritual realm. Men and women in leadership positions in the denominations/churches are attempting to deliver to the believers the Words of Life through the conduit of their churches. When He can, the Holy Spirit honors those parts of their teachings that bring Christ glory and saves a soul or lifts a burden. As to the teachings that don't honor Christ and give Him preeminence over all, well, we each have to figure that out for ourselves. So, to answer your question, "Does He tell you one Truth and me another?" The answer is obviously, "No!" Your spirit tells you one thing, and mine tells me another—hence the confusion. However, ever so often, the Holy Spirit does get a word in—then we agree. Otherwise, the best that we can do is agree to disagree. Unfortunately, in the meantime, the lost in the world and trusting sheep in the churches are dying of spiritual thirst, or worse.

As to your wanting proof, I have none. I know of no one who does. In fact, the Bible states:

Romans 8:24
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Hebrews11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I find nowhere in the Scriptures where the believer is called to "prove" anything. However, he/she is called to show the world the love of God which is shed abroad by the Holy Ghost Who resides in the believers.

It comes to me, Warren, that our WRAP AROUNDs will prove to be nothing but an exercise in futility unless we are both willing to surrender our understanding of the things that belong to Christ, to Him for reproof and correction. This applies also to all our fellow cybernauts reading these WRAPs. If we are not open to the Holy Spirit to teach us and to correct our understanding when need be, we will only continue to harden our stance and "truth" for each of us will continue to be those things that we have chosen to embraced—for whatever reason.

Love,

Don

B'Ann Wrote again:

This is good! This is really good! As I read the scriptures, I find that the way of salvation presented by Christ, when He died on the cross, was by faith. Up until Christ died on the cross, man was able to do it differently under the Old Testament Law. The law had become an instrument for keeping people "out of the Kingdom of God" because the priest would say that because they did not do "this or that" in a certain manner, they could never enter into God's Grace. As a child, if you were told repeatedly that you could not have something, then futility would set in and you would no longer strive to attain it. It is the same with people and the same with nations. When the "Christian organizations" under the law began to claim "divine right" to God, and called people round about "heathens", then those they considered "heathen" did not even try to attain a walk with God. (God called them "heathen" but only to remind the Priests that they needed the way of God offer to them.) The Old Testament Church became exclusionary. Christ came to make this matter of entering into God's Kingdom no longer a matter of the law, but of "being born again." He simple declared that He was the Son of God and any that wanted to come to Him, by faith, could come freely. This became a personal choice for "whosoever will" as Christ said in this Scripture:

Matthew 10:32:
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

As to demanding a real presence before one can believe, the following Scriptures bring hope.

John 20:24-29
But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Ah! Such precious, precious words! Just because I may not have seen a physical manifestation or experienced some great earth shaking revelation does not mean I cannot exercise faith. Are we all on the same level of faith and zeal? I should not have to tell you this. No, a "babe" in Christ is not expected to carry the same load as a mature Christian. We find that as we mature as Christians, our hope and desire should be that all men everywhere would be saved. Never should one advocate an exclusionary type Christianity.

I Corinthians 13:1-13
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

What is this charity? The Scriptures talk about a "perishing." They speak of a separation from God for an eternity. This charity simply means that we should have such compassion in our hearts that we would not want anyone to spend eternity apart from God. As we become mature Christians, we are further admonished as to our responsibility. Does your heart break for people that might have an eternal separation from love? Or do you just have an irritation that all people do not have the "way" that you have, that all people have not attained the "position" that you have in the Lord. Now, my question to you is, "Who would you allow to enter the Kingdom of God and what criteria do you advocate as being the way to being born again into that Kingdom?"

1Timothy 2:3-6
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Romans 14:1-23
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

I could not be sure how often I had to partake of the Lord's Supper to remain in Christ because the scriptures say "as oft." Is one time enough or do we have to do this a certain number of times on certain days?

1 Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

I would have to lean heavily upon the following Scriptures to remain in Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 7:27
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

SALVATION COMES THROUGH ACCEPTANCE OF GOD'S GIFT ON THE CROSS. IF THAT IS YOUR STARTING POINT, THEN ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, YOU ARE BORN AGAIN INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Do not the Scriptures tell us again and again that God is no respecter of persons?

THE FIGHTING/DIVISIONS AMONG THE DENOMINATIONS OCCUR WHEN THEY MAKE DIFFERENT RULES AND ORDINANCES FOR BECOMING A CHRISTIAN AS WELL AS FOR REMAINING A CHRISTIAN AFTER THEY ARE BORN AGAIN. New Christians are taught to eat meat, don't eat meat, wear long sleeves, don't wear long sleeves, smoke, don't smoke, drink alcohol, don't ever drink, communion every Sunday for salvation, communion as a solemn remembrance, Christmas, no Christmas, white religious robes, dark religious robes, celibacy, marriage, …The list is too numerous to write.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TAKE THEIR CHANCES WITH THEIR ETERNAL SOUL ON THE TEACHINGS DERIVED BY MEN LIKE THEMSELVES--OR IF THEY WANT TO TAKE ON THE HEAVY BURDEN OF KEEPING THEMSELVES SAVED, AFTER BEING "BORN AGAIN," THEN THEY CAN TRY TO CARRY THAT BURDEN! BUT IT WILL JUST MAKE THEM MISERABLE, EXCLUSIONARY AND JUDGMENTAL TO A WORLD THAT NEEDS COMPASSION. If another person does not keep their list of things for continued salvation, then they will have to condemn such a person. Personally, I have complete faith that after someone is truly born into the Kingdom of God, that the trinity has such compassion and power that the following will occur:

II Timothy 2:15-16
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Romans 12:1-3
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Let us do a supposition that you have been given a greater measure of faith than I .

This puts even a greater responsibility upon you. Not to "put down" the simplicity of my faith, but to always encourage me in further growth. I still maintain the Blood of Christ was spilled freely upon the earth to offer salvation to all who come to the foot of the cross.

John 3: 16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 15:28-29
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

It is all as simple as John 3: 16. It is all as simple as being born in a stable. It is all as simple as a grain of mustard seed. SELAH!

PW WROTE:

I'm in a non "clapping and dancing" church and would like to know how sure you are about this rapture thesis. Our church is very conservative and believe there'll be only a single returning on judgement day. Help please, I'm confused

PW from South Africa

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B'ANN WROTE:

Hello PW,

By the way, I'm not against clapping and dancing…Sometimes the joy of the Lord demands an outlet. However, clapping and dancing that becomes just a part of a service can lead to soul power that leaves no room for Christ or His Spirit. Paul wrote to the Thessalonians: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thes. 5:23). It is important that we understand that we are a triune being with a body, a soul, and a spirit. If you'll study out the three parts of our make up, you'll find that our body (the grand tool that it is) is for world consciousness, our soul (containing our intellect, our will, our emotions, etc.) is for self-consciousness, and our spirit was made for God consciousness. (Since the spirit of man died in the Garden of Eden due to Adam's disobedience, this explains why Jesus said it must be born again--See John 3.) This being the case, we must get past the esthetics of worship (that which is done in the body and the soul) and get into the spiritual realm if we are to touch God and worship Him in spirit and in truth. "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him" (John 4:23).

As to your wanting to know how sure we are about this rapture thesis, once again, let me point out that we named our web site "doweknow" because we have learned to keep all options open when it comes to understanding things of the Lord—and this is especially true of prophecy. As I have studied the Bible throughout the years, I have learned that an adamant stance on things of a doctrinal nature can close a door to understanding and to growing in the Lord. Most of us, if we'll just think about it, have changed the way we believe as we've grown in the Lord. I Thank God that through trial and error, the way I thought of Him as a babe-in-Christ has been replaced by a more mature understanding. Hopefully, none of us remain at the baby's level of faith, but through Bible study and much prayer, have grown in grace, faith, and love—discarding those things in our spiritual make-up that God cannot honor, and adding the things He can. ALTHOUGH THE KEY TO THIS GROWTH IS BIBLE STUDY AND PRAYER, THERE IS ANOTHER ESSENTIAL ELEMENT THAT CANNOT BE LEFT OUT.

I Corinthians 2: 9-
…as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

In other words, when we read the Bible, we are to do so by faith, trusting the Holy Spirit to give us understanding. This eliminates the pride that would come if we were dependent upon our intellect. It also closes the door to the bondage that often comes when we leave our understanding to another human.

However, when we study prophecy, because of its nature, reliance upon the Holy Spirit is even more needful. This is because of the way that prophecy is coded and the way it is often weaved in and out of messages delivered by the prophets to the people concerning the events of their day. It is as Peter wrote.

II Peter 1:17-21
For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

In other words, the prophets were so in the Spirit that they were able to record exactly what the Spirit gave them—sometimes having no clue as to what they were really writing about. Likewise, those who study their words, must do so "in the Spirit" if they are to gain understanding. The kicker is, when you set under the prophetic teaching of another, the responsibility for being in tune with the Spirit is yours, not theirs.

Acts 15:8
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them [the Gentiles] witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us [the Jews];

1 Corinthians 12:10
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Romans 9:1
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

To me, "the spirit bearing witness" and the "gift of discernment" are very similar. Some have this gift of the Spirit, but don't know it because they have never exercised it—yet, unknowingly, they are very intuitive when it comes to Spiritual things. (Note that, like all the gifts, there is a proper way to use this gift. Also, as with all other gifts, the devil would like nothing better than to break in and cause us to misuse this gift.) If you feel that you do not have the gift of discernment; then ask God, for He says that He will keep no good thing from those who ask Him.

Anyhow, the bottom line to your query as to how sure am I about "my understanding" is not the question. The bottom line would seem to be faith and obedience—or should I say obedience and faith, for faith comes when we in obedience study the Word of God. By His Word, God washes His Church and by His Word He gives it the faith to reach out and receive from Him the good things that we need. If we walk thus in the Lord, there will come a day when we will know "who is who" and "what is what" in the Lord. Until that day, we can trust His grace to keep us as we grow in the Lord.

Love,

Don

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