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Mike Idabana <romidabana@yahoo.com>

REVELATIONAL OUT REACH MINISTRIES [HOPE CENTER]

MAFOLU KU OSHODI LAGOS NIGREIA

Dear D Love

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MAIL. I developed the faith to write to you and share with you the challenges facing our ministry to day after GOING THROUGH YOUR WEBSITE . Expecially in our book ministry. Iam Mike O Idabana by the grace of God the President of the above ministry. Right now i have a manuscript of a book at hand title: END TIME SIGNS AND REVELATIONAL PROPHECIES. It is a revelational book written under the aboundance of the grace of God. Targeted in bringing salvation to every one who have not been saved before, brings grassroots revival fire,creating awareness of the second coming of christ, fear of God in every nation and also it will help so many people to excape from the suffring that is to come as they go through it...

Mike

Don Wrote:

Dear Mike:

Thanks for taking time to WRAP with us. 

Your WRAP brought back memories of when the Lord first began dealing with me about writing a book.  At the time, I had no idea as to what He might do with the book, if anything--but I soon realized that the book was to be a learning experience for me!   Not only did I have the joy of researching the Bible, but I soon realized that organizing what I had found greatly contributed to my understanding of the subject matter. Also, I soon realized that my many years of education, including 8 years of college level work, had not prepared me to write a book. Consequently, I had to go back to the school/language books, but this time, not just to pass a test--but to understand the language and to learn how to use it!  All in all, even if I had never published the book (and the others that followed), just writing a book had been a positive experience for me. 

If I were to have any advice for you, it would be to not be overly concerned about what you might do with a book, but to first concentrate on preparing and writing the book.  Leave the rest to God for He is more than able!

As to writing about the revelations in the Bible, do not attempt to set dates. I assume you are not since you said the reason for your writing about revelations was to bring souls to Christ.  Everything we do must line up with the John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."--and the Great Commission.

Mark 16:
15
And he said unto them,
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We will be praying for you and your endeavor.  Don't forget to hold us up in your prayers.

Don

 

NIZAR WROTE:

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Just for your info.!!!

Greeting,

this site is just for your information... and just to clear some of your ideas..

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/

Thanks and good luck,

Nizar

DON WROTE:

I went to your Web Site and looked through it.  As the following two quotes from your site will attest, the underlying purpose of your site seems to be that of denying the deity of Christ Jesus. 

"[Faith] in One God is the most important and fundamental principle. It is the bedrock of Islam and the mainspring of its power. All other beliefs, commands and laws of Islam stand firm on this foundation. All of them receive strength from this source. Take it away, and there is nothing left of Islam."
- Abul A'la Mawdudi, Towards Understanding Islam, Islamic Foundation, 1980

"The Islamic interpretation of monotheism is more literal and uncompromising than that of any other religion. Allah is confessed as being one, eternal, unbegotten, unequalled, and beyond partnership of any kind."
- The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, 1992

This is unfortunate; for if you continue in your stance--like all the religious of this world who do not believe in the shed blood of Christ Jesus, you will be denying yourself any chance of enjoying eternal life in the presence of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  I know to say this not only puts me at odds with Islam (and all others religious people who do not believe in the Christ of the Bible), but with the politically-correct, unreligious of this planet who feel like anyone who would make such a statement must be a narrow minded bigot.  However, I do not say this as an opinion, but because of the following Scriptures from the Bible.  Note, especially, the underlined words!

Acts 4:
10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Acts 17:
29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 5:
8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Ephesians 3:
8
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Titus 2:
11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

John 17:
1
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 10:
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture...
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:
6
Jesus saith unto him,
I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Let me repeat: the underlying purpose of your site seems to be that of denying the deity of Christ Jesus.  If this is the case, then you and all who receive what you have to say will have no hope; for God sent His Only Begotten Son to die the awful death of the Cross for our sins so that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life!   THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO GOD!  This is so--not because any man says so, but because God has said so in His Word. 

If after reading these Scriptures, you still think that my stance is to narrow, then consider these Words of Jesus:

Matthew 7:
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luke 18:
9
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

If you will read these last two quotes in their context, you will see that Jesus is concerned about the "judgments" that we make.  He began His statement in Matthew chapter seven saying: "Judge not, that ye be not judged.  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.Also, in His parable of the Pharisee and the publican, he stressed how that the publican's introspection and judgment of himself was pleasing to God while the self-righteous, religious Pharisee who habitually prayed and tithed was rejected by God.

My point? Those who are on the strait and narrow that Jesus spoke of are those who have judged themselves and understand that they are sinners in the eyes of God.  As a consequence, they are capable of compassion on others.  Such are candidates for the kingdom of heaven.  But those on the wide road that leads to destruction are those who habitually judge others and feel themselves to be better than those outside of their religion.  Sadly, such religious fervor not only leads to contemptuous judgment of others, but can also lead to "megalomania" wherein the "self-righteous" person can actually feel that they must also be "God's executioners." 

Again to quote Jesus:

Matthew 7:
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The good fruit that Jesus spoke of is listed for us by the Apostle Paul.

Galatians 5:
22...the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Notice that God did not leave us faltering on our own when it comes to bringing forth the fruit that is pleasing to Him; but has given to every believer the Holy Spirit to indwell and enable all who have been "born-again."

John 3:
1
There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I Corinthians 6:
19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 8:
1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Paul also describes for us the works of the fallen flesh that is in all of us.  (Notice that he used the word "works" instead of "fruit" because our fruit is brought about as a result of our union with Christ like a branch to a vine--while our works are a result of our own efforts which are tainted because of the fallen nature in our flesh!)

Galatians 5:
19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In the light of all this, it would seem that we should all examine ourselves and our religion to be sure that we are satisfied with where it will take us.   It is my understanding, Nizar, that your religion is willing to give Jesus a place with God, but to somehow make Him to be subservient to Mohammed. 

Let me close by quoting once again the Apostle Peter:

Acts 4:
10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

Leonard Wrote:

Question-Comment: Hello my name is Leonard ________; and I received a revelation of God to start a book like the book of Mormon for former Homosexual Christians who would like to share with people the Testimonies of Jesus Christ. And to never give up on Jesus - what is your Ideal for the tidle and this sacred book God has called me to make?

-Leonard

Don Wrote:

Hello Leonard,

Thanks for taking the time to WRAP with us.

I appreciate your concern for those who were once enslaved to the awful sin of homosexuality, but have been delivered by faith in Christ--for I, too, want them to understand the victory that is theirs by faith in Christ Jesus.  Unfortunately, however, their are two extreme views that receive more attention in the church world: i.e., 1)homosexuality is all right too practice (even to the point of letting "out of the closet" homo's handle the pulpit) or 2)it is unforgivable and ex-homo's should be excluded from the congregation.  Those who embrace this last stance take out of context these verses from the first chapter of Romans.

Romans 1:
24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

I'll never forget my first encounter with this passage in Romans.  I was still a babe-in-Christ and getting acquainted with the Word.  I had just finished reading the first chapter of Romans when our mailman, Marvin Lacy (see the link to "The Singing Mailman" on our site) came by with our mail.  I was thinking how awful it was that homosexuals were given up by God to that abomination--never able to be saved from eternal damnation.  I shared my thoughts with Marvin and he quoted the verse where all sin can be forgiven except the blaspheming of the Holy Ghost.  This set me to thinking and to searching the Scriptures--and the incident made me to realize that God wanted me to have a "balanced" understanding of His Word, not only about homosexuality, but on all matters. 

True, there were homosexuals that God gave up to uncleanness--and I believe that there still are such individuals.  However, it is also true that homosexuality can be forgiven for all sin can be forgiven except the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit.  So, I had to deal with the question: which homosexuals are given up and which can be forgiven?  After much prayerful Bible study, I felt that I had the mind of the Lord in the matter.  It depends upon if a person was an "actor" or if the person had been "acted upon."  The "actors" would be those who know that the sin is an abomination to God, but hardened their hearts and committed the abomination anyway.  (Note that the Bible does not say that God hardened their hearts, but that He only gave them up to what they had chosen.)  An example of such "actors" can be found in the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah when the homos there felt no fear of the angels of God, even though the angels had struck them blind.  The account of the two angels who were sent by God to destroy the two infamous cities is found in Genesis 19.

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3
And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6
And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7
And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10
But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11
And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

The traits common to the "actors" are (1) they have hardened their hearts and (2) they have, consequently, been blinded by God.

Those that have been "acted upon," however, are those who have been victimized and have either entered into the abomination without choice or, at the least, without consciously hardening their hearts towards God.  (Many of these have been raised to believe that this act is an alternative lifestyle.) These who have been "acted upon" are capable of being convicted of the sin and repenting; whereas the "actors" can only press forward in their blindness, giving no heed to the feelings of others or to their own pathetic plight.

It is interesting to note that Jesus referred back to the account of Sodom and Gomorrah when giving the end-time signs for the end of our age.  (See Luke 17:28-30)  For our world to become as it was in the final days of Sodom and Gomorrah, it only stands to reason that there will be a lot of "actors" on the scene, as well as those who have been "acted upon"--and already we see this in our midst.  The young people of the last two or three generations have been "acted upon" and this has been done by those who are supposed to be looking out for their welfare.  Beginning earnestly in the 1980's, our society began embracing immorality, especially sodomy.  This was brought about in large part by corrupt individuals in our nation's universities who began instilling in the young, fertile minds of our students a "new morality" wherein there is no real "right or wrong" --and that the Ten Commandments of the Bible had become "outdated," no longer applying to our modern age.  These were the students who would one day go on to become our social workers, our teachers, our politicians, our entertainers, and even our pastors--and, especially, our parents! 

To understand how the youth of the past generations have been "acted upon," let's consider the world in which they have grown up. 

IN THEIR SCHOOLS,  for the most part, Jesus has become acceptable only as a "curse word" and the Bible has been outlawed--making them to wonder if the Book is somehow evil. Think about it!  Because the authorities have decreed that they must be protected from the Words of Life, do they not-- unconsciously at least-- consider the Bible to somehow be harmful to their well-being. 

IN THEIR SOCIETY, they see a Social Work Department that considers a house with two homosexuals to be a loving environment ideal for the placement of an orphan--rather than a den of depravity. 
They see politicians, hungry for votes at any cost, group homosexuals with other political minorities--thereby equating sodomites with women and blacks! 
They see an entertainment world boldly challenging every Christian norm that has made our country to be the most respected in the world.  As an alternative, they are creating the allusion that vulgar language, nudity, irresponsible sex, violence, cruelty, and homosexuality are just a part of life, and nothing to be concerned about.  (To disarm those who are concerned about their irresponsible, reprehensible behavior, they present "champions" of "the old way" as being somehow mentally unbalanced.)
They see a church world full of division, confusion, and self-serving individuals.  In this midst of this blight they see sodomites preaching from pulpits and trusted priests molesting children.  And sadly,
they see too many parents that have no fear of God and no respect for His commandments.

To try to understand the pressures on the youth of today, try to put yourself in the place of a tenth grader whose life is impacted by all of the above.  In addition, add the peer pressure that this youngster feels when a popular young person of the same sex becomes friendly and then tries to turn that friendship into something sexual.  All that you would have going for you would be the ten commandments that have been written in the heart of every son of Adam.  Would that be enough to keep you out of sodomy, or would you become another that has been "acted upon" by our fallen society?  And if you happen to be one of those who have been "acted upon," wouldn't it be Great News that Christ Jesus understands the situation and is more than ready to receive you if you would but repented of your sins and come to the foot of the Cross.  Truly, it is as the song-writer put it: JESUS WILL MEET YOU THERE!!

By the way, if you do put together such a book, I hope it will not be like the book of mormon; for the claims of that book can only be false because the Bible declares that nothing more can  added to or taken away from what is already written.

If you are really concerned about those in sodomy and those who have been saved from sodomy, let me suggest that you go to THE BOOK (the Bible) and memorize Scripture to share that will give them the assurance of the love/grace of God so that they can be recipients of that grace/love like any other sinner in this world--for we have all sinned and fallen short of the grace of God!!! 

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