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NIDA WROTE:
Question-Comment:
hi u stupid immoral guys lets see the out come of the match on the day of
judgement held by the god of muslims thats the day u will repent u guys
are so unlucky ....... i bet u will repent and 1 more thing our allah is
not having any shape u guys talk about prophet isas teaching its all
revealed by allah to him got it if u brlieve in him u believe in allah i
hope u know what an i saying bcoz even u know the truth u immoral nutcases
crackpots i hope u understand and i hjope u all go to hell BE PREPARED!!!!
tsk-tsked
DON WROTE:
(For our Cyber Visitors: Nida is referring
to the smiling face link found on our home page. Click on the
following link to go there:
http://doweknow.com/Saddam/index.html) Hello
Nida, I'm afraid that your WRAP AROUND underscores what I'm trying
to say. No true Christian wants you to go to hell simply because
you do not believe the way that they do. (Am I to assume from your WRAP
that your
religion, which seems to be Islam, would wish this upon other human beings.)
The truth is, all born-again believers want you to come to a saving knowledge of
Christ Jesus. Many Christians have dedicated their lives and fortunes to the
dispersion of the Holy Bible so that people of other cultures and beliefs might
come to know the God of Glory and the joy-filled life that is found in Jesus
Christ, His Only Begotten Son. It is my understanding
that the teachers of Islam respect the teachings of Jesus! If that is the
case, then consider these words of Jesus to the Jews of His day. The
words of Jesus are in red.
John 8
32And ye shall know the
truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33They answered him, We be Abraham's
seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be
made free?
34Jesus answered them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth
sin is the servant of sin.
35And the
servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36If the Son
therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37I know that
ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no
place in you.
38I speak that
which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with
your father.
39They answered and said unto him,
Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye
were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye
seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of
God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the
deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of
fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them,
If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I
proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent
me.
43Why do ye
not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of
your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is
no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is
a liar, and the father of it.
45And because
I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46Which of you
convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47He that is
of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not
of God.
48Then answered the Jews, and said
unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49Jesus answered,
I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye
do dishonour me.
50And I seek
not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51Verily,
verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52Then said the Jews unto him, Now
we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and
thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53Art thou greater than our father
Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou
thyself?
54Jesus answered,
If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my
Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55Yet ye have
not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I
shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56Your father
Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou
art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,
I am.
59Then took they up stones to cast
at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through
the midst of them, and so passed by.
Can I assume that when you search the Web, you are looking for truth.
If that is the case, let me refer you to the Words of Jesus–and
to His work on the earth.
We are ever mindful of the mission/sacrifice
of Jesus Christ.
Romans 5
6 For when we were yet without
strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous
man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to
die.
8 But God commendeth his love
toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
The Apostle Paul was an
example for the Grace Age Church. Consider his attitude:
Romans 9
1I say the truth in Christ, I
lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2That I have great heaviness
and continual sorrow in my heart.
3For I could wish that myself
were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the
flesh:
Perhaps the dividing line among
true Christians and non-Christians is found in these verses:
Galatians 5:
19Now the works of
the flesh are manifest, which are these; ...
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness,
revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also
told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit
the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is
love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such
there is no law.
Thanks for
taking the time to WRAP with us. Don |
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George Wrote:
Question-Comment:
Hello:
Although there are many varieties of Christianity, it seems legitimate to
say that a tenet of most of the varieties of Christianity is the belief that
all of the Bible (Old plus New Testament) is the word of a deity called God
who is alleged to have commanded people to "Love your neighbor as yourself."
It does not seem to occur to the adherents of Christianity that it is a
logical contradiction to claim that the Bible consists only of the word of
God, and to also claim that God commanded people to "Love your neighbor as
yourself."
This logical contradiction is admittedly not immediately apparent; so it
will now be shown in a step-by-step manner. As a first step, another and
greater commandment, which was allegedly also made by God, reads, "Thou
shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and
with all thy mind, and with all thy strength." The commandment to "Love your
neighbor as yourself" is specified to be like it. Given that were to be
true, one of the consequences of that similarity would be
that the phrase "Love your neighbor" would be similar to the phrase "love
the Lord thy God". From this similarity, it would be seen that the first and
foremost "neighbor" of humanity would be "the Lord thy God".
It would logically follow that if God were a neighbor of humanity, then
humanity would be a neighbor of God. Given that this were to be the
situation, it would logically follow that if and when God were to preserve
His words in books, then He would also preserve the words of His neighbor,
humanity, in those very same books. God would do this because doing this
would be to love His neighbor, humanity, as He loves Himself. If God were to
preserve the words of humanity in the same books
in which He were to preserve His own words, then it would be a logical
contradiction to say that the Bible is only the word of God. It would
instead logically be correct to say that the Bible is the word of God plus
the word of humanity.
Some people might be tempted to say that this reasoning is merely logic and
therefore inapplicable to a divinity. If that allegation were to be made,
then it would be appropriate to mention that the Bible itself admits that it
contains the word of humanity in addition to the word of God. This admission
was made at Matthew 13:33 and again at Luke 13:21.
To save time, the King James Version (KJV) of Matthew 13:33 reads,
"Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto
leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the
whole was leavened."
Luke 13:21 is similar and the KJV of it reads,
"It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of
meal,
till the whole was leavened."
Their commonality reads, "Is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in
three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." Given that this
admission is true, then it logically follows that "leaven" has been hidden
in every book of the Bible ("the whole was leavened"). Given that this were
the situation, then it seems logical that Christianity would be divided into
at least as many segments as it is.
Given that the words of the Christian deity were to be in the Bible along
with the words of humanity, and given that the Christian deity were to be as
just and merciful as claimed, then it would logically follow that the
Christian deity would have provided a method to establish which words were
whose. Considering the fact that most Christians have not yet realized that
they have a need to establish which words are whose, it logically follows
that most of them have not yet looked to see if there is such a way in the
Bible.
If the most of Christians were nevertheless to look, then they would find
that a way to establish which words were whose has indeed been provided. Of
course, given that there were to be such a way, then it would logically be,
that the way to establish which words were whose, would not appear to be
what it were, otherwise it would have been noticed long before now. For
instance, the first occurrence of the "leaven discovery tool" (to coin a
phrase) is at Deuteronomy 19:15 which reads (KJV),
"One witness shall not rise up against a man for any
iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of
two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be
established."
This verse is admittedly not a clear instance of anything which even
remotely resembles the alleged "leaven discovery tool". And the situation
does not get much better with the next occurrence of it which is at Matthew
18:16 and which reads (KJV),
"But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two
more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be
established."
In fact, it's not until the third occurrence that the "leaven discovery
tool" shows even a hint of its true nature. The third occurrence is at 2
Corinthians 13:1 and it reads (KJV),
"This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or
three witnesses shall every word be established."
Although a faint glimmer is seen in this third verse, it's the
commonality of these three verses which more clearly shows the "leaven
discovery tool". The commonality reads, "In the mouth of two or three
witnesses shall every word be established." A contemplation of this
commonality leads to the discovery that it is a method by which the words of
God could be established to be the words of God instead of being the words
of humanity.
Although this idea seems possible in theory, does it work in practice? This
method of establishing which words are the words of God was used in the
first four books of the Christian New Testament. The results are available
for inspection at
http://greatriddle.flifree.com
Thank you for your attention to this topic, George Elliott.
B'Ann
Wrote:
Hello George: First may I ask if
you are in politics. This is the most cleaver endeavor at word
manipulation I have ever seen. You would have a great future in
political writings. I am reminded of the little story book character
that chased his tail around and around. He started going so
fast that he turned into butter. Highly illogical, right. Same
thing with an extensive head knowledge study of the Scriptures. The
Gifts of the Spirit and the Fruits of the Spirit touch and intertwine
throughout the Holy Scriptures. To bring them to remembrance, I will
list them again:
Galatians 5:
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance,
emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness,
revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also
told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit
the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love,
joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there
is no law.
1 Corinthians 12
1Now concerning spiritual gifts,
brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried
away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3Wherefore I give you to understand, that
no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man
can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but
the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of
administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations,
but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is
given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the
word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to
another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to
another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds
of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11But all these worketh that one and the
selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
You have a concern about the human element in
the Bible. How trustworthy were the first disciples when they received the messages from God that were penned as the Holy Scriptures? I suppose we
will just have to rest in the integrity of God's promises!
If we believe that Jehovah God had the power to create the heavens and the earth–worlds without end if you please; then, we should be able to trust Him in keeping the Scriptures pure. They are, after
all, His Scriptures. The Bible speaks of the "stumbling block" over
which man can trip and fall. So...perhaps, if we're not careful, we can put
ourselves into "double jeopardy"
because the things of God come by faith–and
faith is a "gift" as well as a "fruit" of the Spirit.
Remember:
Hebrews 11:
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh
to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that
diligently seek him.
This brings me to the conclusion
of the matter.
You base your whole dissertation/argument on
a Scripture
concerning the Kingdom of Heaven. A comparison/contrast
is needed here.
Matthew 13:
47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast
into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48Which, when it
was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into
vessels, but cast the bad away.
So, we see that the Kingdom of Heaven is comprised of those
who have "a form of godliness"–i.e.,
the religious that do not feel that they have to accept Christ as the only
door to heaven, but still profess to have a place with God–as well as "the Kingdom of God"–i.e.,
those who have accepted Christ as Lord and Savior, that have been born again, and
that are now heavenly citizens–their bodies
being temples of the Holy Spirit!
John 10:
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other
way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2But he that entereth in by the door is the
shepherd of the sheep.
3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep
hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them
out.
4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and
the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for
they know not the voice of strangers.
6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what
things they were which he spake unto them.
7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily,
verily, I say unto you, I am the
door of the sheep.
I Corinthians 6:
19What? know ye not that
your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye
have of God, and ye are not your own?
This being so, it would stand to reason that it is from the Kingdom of
God that God would call his apostles/ministers/workers.
Our WRAP will not be complete without inserting one more absolute from
the Bible.
I Corinthians 2:
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither
have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for
them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his
Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man,
save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth
no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit
which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us
of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom
teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things
with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they
are spiritually discerned.
We started the website DOWEKNOW for this very reason: i.e., we need to
come together and discuss our differences and ask ourselves, DOWEKNOW the
truth? Then, we should ask for deliverance from the "leavening of man"
and return to the Scriptures.
Most of all, cling to this passage:
Matthew 11:
27All things are
delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the
Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to
whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28Come unto me,
all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29Take my yoke
upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall
find rest unto your souls.
30For my yoke is
easy, and my burden is light.
B'Ann
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